[Coral-List] using bubbles to remove CO2 from reef water
Melbourne Briscoe
Mel at briscoe.com
Tue May 3 08:21:51 EDT 2016
@ Steve Mussman:
Tainting the entire diving industry because of a dislike for DEMA is a reach too far. Your position on DEMA is clear, and consistent, but not compelling. Your extension now to the entire diving industry is unjustified, and some pushback is warranted.
Mel Briscoe
Retired WHOI, NOAA, ONR, and Ocean Leadership
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From: coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov [mailto:coral-list-bounces at coral.aoml.noaa.gov] On Behalf Of Steve Mussman
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 5:32 AM
To: Stephen Frink <sf at stephenfrink.com>
Cc: Ellen Prager <coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>; Bill Allison <allison.billiam at gmail.com>; Laurie Wilson <blueoceanbusinesssummit at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] using bubbles to remove CO2 from reef water
Stephen,
(I'm adding Alex to this thread because he has had a long history of
involvement with both the diving industry and the issues that we are
discussing here).
I've discussed similar issues on Coral List many times before and I believe
that most members understand exactly where I am coming from. Generally
speaking, it is my opinion that the diving industry as a whole has not done
nearly enough to address the decline of coral reefs world wide. That
includes manufacturers, certification agencies, dive shops and resorts.
There are lots of good people doing great things in our industry, but
overall the environmental/ecological record of the "diving industry at
large" is dismal at best. I wish it wasn't so and we all need to work hard
in order to change this paradigm.
Regards,
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Frink
Sent: May 2, 2016 2:57 PM
To: Steve Mussman
Cc: Bill Allison , Ellen Prager , Laurie Wilson
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] using bubbles to remove CO2 from reef water
Steve - DEMA is different than the dive industry at large. Please be
specific if you have concerns. Many of the members of the list serve
wouldnât understand the fine distinction you are making and might assume
those in the business of services to recreational diving are universally
ignorant of ecological issues or uncaring. I donât think either is
particularly true.
Thanks for your consideration.
Stephen
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On May 2, 2016, at 2:51 PM, Steve Mussman <[7]sealab at earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi Stephen,
Of course the diving industry is diverse even in their beliefs relating to
climate change, but I'm referring to industry leaders. We could argue all
day about who comprises the "leadership of our industry", but I'm pointing
the finger directly at DEMA. Climate change, ocean acidification,
over-fishing and land-based pollutants are basically off their radar as I
see it. They act as if nothing is happening. We have an opportunity to
empower divers to become advocates for moving policies and turning things
around, but that's not going to happen as long as our industry's power
structure remains in denial. I understand the fact that talk of declining
reefs isn't good for business, but how are we to have hope that we can
reverse the trend if our industry perpetuates the illusion (that all is
well) by refusing to openly address these issues? As I see it, all of us in
the industry have a moral responsibility to become activists for our oceans
and coral reefs. We have taken from it and built our business upon it. This
is a critical time and the diving industry should be out in front, not
laying low hiding in the sea grass.
Warm regards,
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Frink
Sent: May 2, 2016 2:08 PM
To: Steve Mussman
Cc: Bill Allison , Ellen Prager
Subject: Re: [Coral-List] using bubbles to remove CO2 from reef water
Steve - What makes you think the dive industry disbelieves climate change
and/or CO2 issues? Anyone I dive with, most of whom have several
decadesâ experience seeing changes in the reef ecosystems we dive,
realizes we have issues. Anecdotal perhaps, but so is a broad brush
painting all.
Stephen
Stephen Frink
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[13]305-766-8832 (cell)
frink_stephen (Skype)
On May 2, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Steve Mussman <[14]sealab at earthlink.net> wrote:
This presents the diving industry with a rather perplexing dilemma.
They could cite this study to promote the idea that coral reefs benefit from
our bubbles, but then they would be forced to admit that a problem relating
to rising CO2 levels actually exists.
Sent from my iPhone
Sent from my iPhone
On May 2, 2016, at 7:18 AM, Bill Allison <[15]allison.billiam at gmail.com>
wrote:
So, the small issues of thermodynamic considerations and the ultimate fate
of the CO2 aside, divers may help reefs?
On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 12:57 AM, Douglas Fenner <
[16]douglasfennertassi at gmail.com> wrote:
Protecting coral reefs with bubbles
[17]https://earth.stanford.edu/news/protecting-coral-reefs-bubbles
Open-access
Original article:
Bubble stripping as a tool to reduce high dissolved CO2 in coastal marine
ecosystems. Environmental Science & Technology
[18]http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.est.5b04733
not open-access, note author's email address
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